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Martin Firestorm · Feb 08, 2012, 03:26 PM // 15:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Next Top Runner

I hope I cleared the air...because many people on these forums are making themselves appear slightly stupid.

Hmmm...one person certainly is.

Next Top Runner · Feb 08, 2012, 03:42 PM // 15:42

It is blatantly obvious that you people are ignorant to the truth and are just here to troll someone trying to educate and help others.

Sad, really.

Tullzinski · Feb 08, 2012, 03:45 PM // 15:45

Now I am

! Using one account to run the other account to places and through missions, is it running or rushing or just plain old anti-social!

What is really sad is discussing the "correct" terminolgy of a 6 year old game. I have never seen anyone on any forums asking what the difference is or for a definition.

+1 lock

Bristlebane · Feb 08, 2012, 03:50 PM // 15:50

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Originally Posted by World English Dictionary

1. a person who runs, esp an athlete
...
4. a person engaged in the solicitation of business

Clearly running is an acceptable term for anyone doing it as part of their business.

drkn · Feb 08, 2012, 03:54 PM // 15:54

Quote:

It is blatantly obvious that you people are ignorant to the truth and are just here to troll someone trying to educate and help others.

The only obvious thing is that you would like to control, or even revert, a natural process of any uncodified terminology - the changes in the meaning, based on simplification of said terminology and the objects/actions to be described.
If 'running' was somehow used in the game's own terminology - as in, if ANet introduced this term in the beginning of the game - and thus it was codified, your claims would be totally right and i would support your view, including calling people names. However, as it is now, only 'running' and 'rushing' can be clearly distinguished, based on what i provided earlier.
To say more, 'running' someone to Rata Sum and 'running' someone through Rragar's is, in its essence, the same - someone pays you for an action you are supposed to fulfill, getting the client some non-substantial in-game profit (being able to use a new outpost, having a dungeon completed).

Gill Halendt · Feb 08, 2012, 03:58 PM // 15:58

So, when people "run a business", they're actually running in their office, boutique or shop...?

Arguing semantics much? Then do it properly...

aspi · Feb 08, 2012, 04:03 PM // 16:03

This must be the weirdest post I have seen in ages here :?

Tullzinski · Feb 08, 2012, 04:03 PM // 16:03

Uh oh someone needs to fix the wiki now....

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Running

Running in PvE allows players to save considerable time through the avoidance of combat, literally by running past foes.

It can refer to two activities:

Destination running - Covering large distances and unlocking outposts.
Completion running - Completing missions and dungeons.
Both activities are usually paid for near the end of a run. This makes it less likely for either the runner or the client to scam the other.

The survivor title is occasionally at risk during runs, so make sure to ask a runner if the run is safe for survivors.

MithranArkanere · Feb 08, 2012, 04:12 PM // 16:12

Just to clarify, when someone uses gimmick builds do a mission for you, usually faster than you'll do even with heroes, either solo of with a few of his heroes, that already has a name, and it's "RUSHING", as in Mission Rushing or Quest Rushing.

The most notable examples are the Shiro, Varesh and Great Destroyer boss fights. You don't "Run" them you "rush" them.

It's not exactly running, and it isn't "doing the mission" either, because that involves a full party doing what they are supposed to do, not one doing it and the rest waiting.

So "LFR" is still a valid abbreviation, since it stands for "Looking For Rusher".

People don't use the term as often because they are lazy and it's easier to 'stretch' the meaning of an already existing term than using another term that is not so as widespread, even if it's the proper one.

So if you want to go nitpicking around about it, just make sure they use the proper term, instead just telling them to stop using the incorrect term without giving an alternative. You can't take without giving.

Still, some missions CAN be run, since you only have to run around in them to complete them (often if you ignore the bonus), or are done easier with a runner, like Aurora Glade.

Mireles · Feb 08, 2012, 04:17 PM // 16:17

Sorry no single person gets to define terms for the whole guild wars community... people use terms that are easily recognizable and convenient in a community, people can stick any meaning to the term running as they like.... There is no academic official "gaming term" book or dictionary that says otherwise.... nobody is going to care if you think its stupid and think it should be changed... even if you do have a point... once again who the fak cares, you can use the term rush... its just some people may not draw that meaning you want them too.

Coolio Mc · Feb 08, 2012, 04:31 PM // 16:31

Had to just say that this the most random pointless thread, and most random thing to be annoyed about haha. It was literally hilarious and I congratulate the OP making me laugh, a good read overall. Also agree with Bristlebane

MisterB · Feb 08, 2012, 04:42 PM // 16:42

This is a terrific example of a moot point(See # 2.). No, that's not "mute," people.

I agree with MithranArkanere.

Spiritz · Feb 08, 2012, 04:48 PM // 16:48

if i cover what someones already said im soz but i dont want to trawl thru the thread.

Commonly "to be run" can cover several things -
first example - " im doing a few farming runs of uw " can mean that persons doing several goes at farming in uw.
Next example - someone being run ( or as it used to be either a taxi or a ferry ) as the passenger is being run in the sense of the runner actually running from place to place - if they walked then the passenger wouldnt bother would they ?
Being rushed in a quest or mission i believe has come about from WoW players migrating to GW as most of the ones ive met always use the term rusher .
I dont see the op mentioning "Rusher" as thats been used many times for all examples.

Btw with the ops attitude i had to check the calender to see if it was april fools day - either the op wants to start a fight on guru ( calling most guru users stupid - easy way to make enemies even out of mods ) or somewhere a big troll has escaped and found guru.

Watch out folks - op may start another thread crying because of the term Tyria next as its both a continent and the gw world.
Wonder how many pages this thread will get before a mod closes it - will it get past page 3 ? tune in tomorrow for the next exiting episode of troll vs Guru

JONO51 · Feb 08, 2012, 04:50 PM // 16:50

OP your an idiot.

Running is a catch-all term for both objective completion and point-to-point travel in GW. Nobody is going to ask for "lf somebody to complete a vq for me" when they can instead substitute "lf runner x vq". Everybody knows what they mean. Quit fcking whining.

Oh, btw, the first line of my reply contains an error for you to pick at. Perhaps you should make a thread on it.

fin.

Skyy High · Feb 08, 2012, 05:19 PM // 17:19

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Originally Posted by Next Top Runner

The point is that no running is involved...yet people call it running.

Because it's shorter than "looking for someone to do mission for gold while I sit at spawn doing nothing." Derp. There is no possible cause for confusion, because everyone knows that vanquishes and missions require fighting to complete (with few exceptions), so everyone knows that when someone asks for a "mission runner", they mean what I said before.

This thread is pointless, your rant is pointless. This is language: it is a tool that people use to communicate. No one is going to stop using a universally adopted and understood term just because it is not literally correct.

Scown-dog · Feb 08, 2012, 05:23 PM // 17:23

I don't always say shit
But when I do, I never mean poo

Rushin Roulette · Feb 08, 2012, 05:29 PM // 17:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Next Top Runner

It is blatantly obvious that you people are ignorant to the truth and are just here to troll someone trying to educate and help others.

Sad, really.

You do know that comprehensive reading skills do help a lot if you are atempting to;

not look stupid infront of others and
not showing just how ignorant you are infront of others

Read this post again please which includes a quote from an dictionary;

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...8&postcount=18

And to stress the point.. If I say Im running a Barber shop, it does not require me to be an athlete and if the motor is running you will not see any legs under the car (unless a pretty gruesom crash has happened moments before

).

Next Top Runner · Feb 08, 2012, 05:30 PM // 17:30

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/n...t10494648.html
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/d...t10477705.html

This person is referring to a vanquisher as a runner.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/m...t10447091.html

They call themselves runners when they are just mission rushers.

I am sorry that everyone is in an uproar over this. I know that the term "running" used extremely loosely and describes doing missions, dungeons, etc...but I am here to educate those who care to be educated by giving a fair argument that proves this phenomenon to be incorrect.

JONO51 · Feb 08, 2012, 05:42 PM // 17:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Next Top Runner

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/n...t10494648.html
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/d...t10477705.html

This person is referring to a vanquisher as a runner.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/m...t10447091.html

They call themselves runners when they are just mission rushers.

I am sorry that everyone is in an uproar over this. I know that the term "running" used extremely loosely and describes doing missions, dungeons, etc...but I am here to educate those who care to be educated by giving a fair argument that proves this phenomenon to be incorrect.

The meaning is clear. The community has decided. Its a short yet broad term that doesn't create any confusion while still communicating the style of service they require (someone to perform a task for them). You're just getting mad that it doesn't adhere to one specific dictionary meaning and want the community to adapt to using longer terminology despite the existing terms being perfectly clear. Language, after all, is what people make of it. Meanings change, and new words appear. Its hardly surprising that specific meanings have arisen in a community after 7 years.

mr_stealth · Feb 08, 2012, 05:52 PM // 17:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Next Top Runner

I am sorry that everyone is in an uproar over this. I know that the term "running" used extremely loosely and describes doing missions, dungeons, etc...but I am here to educate those who care to be educated by giving a fair argument that proves this phenomenon to be incorrect.

In your attempts to prove this incorrect, you are incorrectly trying to state that the word "running" only applies to the act of running with one's legs. This is clearly not the case with this verb, as several others have pointed out.

I run a business, but I don't run with my legs during the process of running it. I use a vehicle, that usually has its motor running.

People do test runs/dry runs with new equipment/vehicles/etc.